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Diagnostic Test

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Possible Causes 
(A209) FUSED B(+) CIRCUITS OPEN OR SHORTED
(Z908) GROUND CIRCUITS OPEN
(F202) IGNITION RUN/START CONTROL OUTPUT CIRCUIT OPEN OR SHORTED
(F1) IGNITION OFF/RUN/START CONTROL OUTPUT CIRCUIT OPEN OR SHORTED
(F342) FUSED ASD RELAY OUTPUT CIRCUIT OPEN OR SHORTED
(D65) CAN C BUS(+) CIRCUIT OPEN
(D64) CAN C BUS(-) CIRCUIT OPEN
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)


  1. TEST FOR INTERMITTENT CONDITION 
    NOTE:

    Check for any TSB(s) related to the condition. If a TSB applies, perform the procedure outlined in the TSB before continuing.

    1. Turn the ignition on.
      NOTE:

      Make sure the IOD fuse is installed and battery voltage is between 10.0 and 16.0 volts.

    2. Using the scan tool, select ECU View.
      NOTE:

      A red "X" will be next to the module that is not communicating, indicating that the module is not active on the Bus network. A green check indicates that the module is active on the Bus network.

      NOTE:

      Check the TIPM for any active CAN C hardware DTCs, perform DTC before proceeding.

      Does the scan tool display a red "X" next to the module?

      Yes 

      • Go To  2.

      No 

      • The no response condition is not present at this time. Using the wiring diagram/schematic as a guide, inspect the wiring for chafed, pierced, pinched and partially broken wires and the wiring harness connectors for broken, bent, pushed out and corroded terminals.
  2. (A209) FUSED B(+) CIRCUITS OPEN OR SHORTED 
    Fig 1: Using 12-Volt Test Light Connected To Ground To Check Fused B (+) Circuit
    GC0091338Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    1. Turn the ignition off.
    2. Disconnect the PCM C1 harness connector.
      CAUTION:

      Do not probe the PCM harness connectors. Probing the PCM harness connectors will damage the PCM terminals resulting in poor terminal to pin connection. Install the PCM Pinout Box (special tool #8815A, Kit, NGC, 38 Position) to perform diagnosis.

    3. Using a 12-volt test light connected to ground, check the (A209) Fused B(+) circuit.

      Does the test light illuminate brightly?

      Yes 

      • Go To  3.

      No 

      • Repair the open or short to ground in the (A209) Fused B(+) circuit.
      • Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. Refer to POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST .
  3. (Z908) GROUND CIRCUITS OPEN 
    Fig 2: Checking Ground Circuits For Open
    GC0091339Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    1. Disconnect the PCM C4 harness connector.
    2. Using a 12-volt test light connected to 12-volts, check each (Z908) Ground circuit for the PCM C1 and PCM C4 harness connectors.

      Does the test light illuminate brightly for each circuit?

      Yes 

      • Go To  4.

      No 

  4. (F202) IGNITION RUN/START CONTROL OUTPUT CIRCUIT OPEN OR SHORTED 
    Fig 3: Using 12-volt Test Light Connected To Ground To Check Ignition Run/start Control Output Circuit
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    1. Turn the ignition on.
    2. Using a 12-volt test light connected to ground, check the (F202) Ignition Run/Start Control Output circuit.

      Does the test light illuminate brightly?

      Yes 

      • Go To  5.

      No 

      • Repair the open or short to ground in the (F202) Ignition Run/Start Control Output circuit.
      • Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. Refer to POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST .
  5. (F1) IGNITION OFF/RUN/START CONTROL OUTPUT CIRCUIT OPEN OR SHORTED 
    Fig 4: Checking Fused Ignition Switch (Off/Run/Start) Output Circuit For Open Or Short
    GC0091341Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    1. Turn the ignition on.
    2. Using a 12-volt test light connected to ground, check the (F1) Ignition Off/Run/Start Control Output circuit.

      Does the test light illuminate brightly?

      Yes 

      • Go To  6.

      No 

      • Repair the open or short to ground in the (F1) Ignition Off/Run/Start Control Output circuit.
      • Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. Refer to POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST .
  6. (F342) FUSED ASD RELAY OUTPUT CIRCUIT OPEN OR SHORTED 
    Fig 5: Checking Fused Relay Output Circuit For Open Or Short
    GC0091342Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    1. Turn the ignition on.
    2. Using a 12-volt test light connected to ground, check the (F342) Fused ASD Relay Output circuit.

      Does the test light illuminate brightly?

      Yes 

      • Go To  7.

      No 

      • Repair the open or short to ground in the (F342) Fused ASD Relay Output circuit.
      • Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. Refer to POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST .
  7. (D65) CAN C BUS (+) CIRCUIT OPEN 
    Fig 6: Measuring Resistance Of CAN C Bus (+) Circuit Between TIPM Harness Connector And PCM Connector
    GC0091343Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    1. Turn the ignition off.
    2. Disconnect the TIPM C1 harness connector.
    3. Measure the resistance of the (D65) CAN C Bus (+) circuit between the TIPM C1 harness connector and the PCM C1 connector.

      Is resistance below 5.0 Ohms?

      Yes 

      • Go To  8.

      No 

  8. (D64) CAN C BUS (-) CIRCUIT OPEN 
    Fig 7: Measuring Resistance Of CAN C Bus (-) Circuit Between TIPM Harness Connector And PCM Connector
    GC0091344Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    1. Measure the resistance of the (D64) CAN C Bus (-) circuit between the TIPM C1 harness connector and the PCM C1 connector.

      Is resistance below 5.0 Ohms?

      Yes 

      • Replace the Powertrain Control Module in accordance with the Service Information.
      • Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. Refer to POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST .

      No