DTC P0172, P0175 (6-Speed A/T, 16-18 9-Speed A/T)

DTC P0172 : Rear Bank (Bank 1) Fuel System Too Rich

DTC P0175 : Front Bank (Bank 2) Fuel System Too Rich

NOTE:

Before you troubleshoot, review the general troubleshooting information - Refer to: How to Troubleshoot the Fuel and Emissions Systems .
Do not clear the DTC or reset the PCM before beginning this troubleshooting procedure until instructed to clear it. Clearing the DTC or resetting the PCM can delete valuable diagnostic information, even if the on-board snapshot is saved.
Inspect for aftermarket fuel system and engine components before beginning troubleshooting.
If any of the DTCs listed below are stored at the same time as P0172 and/or P0175, troubleshoot those DTCs first, then recheck for P0172 and/or P0175.
P0087, P0088: Fuel rail pressure sensor

P006A, P0101, P0102, P0103: MAF sensor

P0106, P0107, P0108: MAP sensor

P0133, P0153, P1172, P1174, P2195, P2197, P2237, P2238, P2240, P2241, P2243, P2245, P2247, P2249, P2251, P2252, P2254, P2255, P2A00, P2A03: A/F sensor (Sensor 1)

P0134, P0135, P0154, P0155: A/F sensor (Sensor 1) heater

P0137, P0138, P0139, P0157, P0158, P0159, P2270, P2272: Secondary HO2S (Sensor 2)

P0141, P0161: Secondary HO2S (Sensor 2) heater

P0201, P0202, P0203, P0204, P0205, P0206: No. 1 - No. 6 cylinder injector(s)

P0400, P0401, P0404, P0406, P2413: EGR system

P0443: EVAP canister purge valve

P2279: Intake air leakage

P2646, P2647, P2648, P2649, P2651, P2652, P2653, P2654, P2656, P2657, P2658, P2659: VTEC/VCM system

DTC Description	Confirmed DTC	Pending DTC
P0172 Rear Bank (Bank 1) Fuel System Too Rich
P0175 Front Bank (Bank 2) Fuel System Too Rich

DTC (PGM-FI)

Problem verification-Idle

- 1. Start the engine, and let it idle without load (in P or N).

- 2. Check the parameter(s) below with the HDS.

Signal	Threshold		Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit	Values	Unit
ST FUEL TRIM B1	Less than 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21)
ST FUEL TRIM B2	Less than 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21)

Do the current condition(s) match the threshold?

YES

The ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) is too low at idle. Go to step 3.

The ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) is OK at idle. Go to step 2.

Problem verification-On-board Snapshot

- 1. Review the on-board snapshot and record the value of the parameters below when the ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) was at its lowest point.

ENGINE SPEED
VEHICLE SPEED
REL TP SENSOR
APP SENSOR

On-board Snapshot

- 2. Drive the vehicle according to the conditions determined above.

Signal	Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit
ENGINE SPEED
VEHICLE SPEED
REL TP SENSOR
APP SENSOR

- 3. Check the parameter(s) below with the HDS while driving.

Signal	Threshold		Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit	Values	Unit
ST FUEL TRIM B1	Less than 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21)
ST FUEL TRIM B2	Less than 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21)

Do the current condition(s) match the threshold under the on-board snapshot conditions?

YES

The ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) is too low under the conditions above. Go to step 3.

The ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) is OK under the same conditions as the on-board snapshot. The system is normal at this time.

Check fuel pressure (low pressure side)

- 1. Start the engine, and let it idle.

- 2. Check the fuel pressure under the conditions when the ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) is 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21) or less.

Signal	Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit
ST FUEL TRIM B1
ST FUEL TRIM B2

Is the fuel pressure between 410 - 460 kPa (4.18 - 4.69 kgf/cm 2, 59.5 - 66.7 psi)?

YES

The fuel pressure (low pressure side) is not the cause of the low ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) value. Go to step 4.

Replace the fuel tank unit .

Check fuel pressure (high pressure side)
- 1. Turn the vehicle to the OFF (LOCK) mode.

- 2. Turn the vehicle to the ON mode.

- 3. Clear the DTC with the HDS.

- 4. Turn the vehicle to the OFF (LOCK) mode.

- 5. Start the engine.

- 6. Hold the engine speed at 3, 000 rpm without load (in P or N) until the radiator fan comes on, then let it idle.

- 7. Select the DI FUEL PRESSURE TEST in the INSPECTION MENU with the HDS.

DI FUEL PRESSURE TEST

Does the HDS indicate NORMAL?

YES

The fuel pressure (high pressure side) is OK. Go to step 5.

NO

Go to the troubleshooting for DTC P0087 - Refer to: DTC P0087 (6-Speed A/T, '16-'18 9-Speed A/T) and DTC P0088 - Refer to: DTC P0088 (6-Speed A/T, '16-'18 9-Speed A/T) .

Replace fuel:

NOTE: There would be an increased likelihood of a fuel related issue if the rich condition appeared shortly after refueling. The MIL DIST (MIL Distance) value in the DATA LIST in combination with the fuel level may help you make this determination.

- 1. Turn the vehicle to the OFF (LOCK) mode.

- 2. Drain the fuel from the fuel tank, then refill the fuel tank with known-good fuel.

- 3. Start the engine, and let it idle.

- 4. Operate the vehicle under the same conditions where the ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) was 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21) or less.

ENGINE SPEED
VEHICLE SPEED
REL TP SENSOR
APP SENSOR

On-board Snapshot

Signal	Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit
ENGINE SPEED
VEHICLE SPEED

Signal	Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit
REL TP SENSOR
APP SENSOR

- 5. Check the parameter(s) below with the HDS while driving.

Signal	Threshold		Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit	Values	Unit
ST FUEL TRIM B1	Less than 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21)
ST FUEL TRIM B2	Less than 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21)

Do the current condition(s) match the threshold under the on-board snapshot conditions?

YES

The fuel is not the cause of the low ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) value. Go to step 6.

The fuel was causing the low ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) value.

Check MAF sensor reading

- 1. Continue to let the engine idle.

- 2. Make sure the following conditions are met:

ECT Sensor 1 above 158 °F (70 °C)
Transmission in P or N
All engine and electrical loads turned off

Signal	Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit
ECT SENSOR 1

- 3. Monitor the ENGINE SPEED in the DATA LIST with the HDS, then hold the engine speed at 2, 500 rpm with the accelerator pedal held steady.

Signal	Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit
ENGINE SPEED

- 4. While holding the engine speed at 2, 500 rpm for 30 seconds, check the parameter(s) below with the HDS.

9-speed automatic transmission

Signal	Threshold		Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit	Values	Unit
MAF SENSOR	9.4-13.2	g/s

6-speed automatic transmission

Signal	Threshold		Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit	Values	Unit
MAF SENSOR	9.2-13.0	g/s

Do the current condition(s) match the threshold?

YES

The MAF sensor is OK. Go to step 7.

The MAF sensor read value is incorrect. Inspect for a cracked, damaged, or incorrectly installed air cleaner assembly. If OK, replace the MAF sensor/IAT sensor .

Check engine oil

- 1. Continue to let the engine idle.

- 2. Gently pinch the PCV vacuum hose (A).

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- 3. Check the parameter(s) below with the HDS with the vacuum hose pinched.

Signal	Threshold		Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit	Values	Unit
ST FUEL TRIM B1	Less than 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21)
ST FUEL TRIM B2	Less than 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21)

Do the current condition(s) match the threshold?

YES

The engine oil is OK. Go to step 8.

The engine oil is contaminated. Determine the cause of the contaminated oil (faulty injectors, etc.), then replace the engine oil and oil filter .

EVAP canister purge valve check
- 1. Turn the vehicle to the OFF (LOCK) mode.

- 2. Disconnect the following connector.

EVAP canister purge valve 2P connector

- 3. Disconnect the vacuum hose (A) from the EVAP canister purge valve (B) in the engine compartment, and connect a vacuum pump (C) to the purge valve.

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- 4. Start the engine.

Does the vacuum pump indicate vacuum?

YES

When the climate is warm, fuel vapor from the canister line to the fuel tank enters intake manifold, enriching mixture (excessively rich), causing the engine to stall in some cases. If needed, replace the EVAP canister purge valve .

NO

Go to step 9.

Replace A/F sensor (Sensor 1)

- 1. Turn the vehicle to the OFF (LOCK) mode.

- 2. Replace the A/F sensor (Sensor 1) with a known-good sensor.

- 3. Start the engine, and let it idle.

- 4. Operate the vehicle under the same conditions where the ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) was 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21) or less.

ENGINE SPEED
VEHICLE SPEED
REL TP SENSOR
APP SENSOR

On-board Snapshot

Signal	Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit
ENGINE SPEED
VEHICLE SPEED
REL TP SENSOR
APP SENSOR

- 5. Check the parameter(s) below with the HDS while driving.

Signal	Threshold		Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit	Values	Unit
ST FUEL TRIM B1	Less than 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21)
ST FUEL TRIM B2	Less than 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21)

Do the current condition(s) match the threshold under the on-board snapshot conditions?

YES

The A/F sensor (Sensor 1) is not the cause of the low ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) value. Reinstall the original A/F sensor, then go to step 10.

The A/F sensor (Sensor 1) was causing the low ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) value. Replace the original A/F sensor (Sensor 1) .

Replace injectors

- 1. Turn the vehicle to the OFF (LOCK) mode.

- 2. Replace the injectors.

- 3. Start the engine, and let it idle.

- 4. Operate the vehicle under the same conditions where the ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) was 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21) or less.

ENGINE SPEED
VEHICLE SPEED
REL TP SENSOR
APP SENSOR

On-board Snapshot

Signal	Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit
ENGINE SPEED
VEHICLE SPEED
REL TP SENSOR
APP SENSOR

- 5. Check the parameter(s) below with the HDS while driving.

Signal	Threshold		Current conditions
Signal	Values	Unit	Values	Unit
ST FUEL TRIM B1	Less than 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21)
ST FUEL TRIM B2	Less than 0.80 ('16), 0.77 ('17-21)

Do the current condition(s) match the threshold under the on-board snapshot conditions?

YES

The injectors are not the cause of the low ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) value. Substitute a known-good PCM - Refer to: PCM Removal and Installation (6-Speed A/T), ('16-'18 9-Speed A/T) , then recheck.

The injectors were causing the low ST FUEL TRIM (B1, B2) value. Replace the original injectors - Refer to: Injector Removal and Installation (6-Speed A/T, '16-'18 9-Speed A/T) .