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Pinpoint Test J: P2D57

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  1. Refer to Charging System for schematic and connector information.

    Normal Operation and Fault Conditions 

    With the engine running, the charging system supplies voltage to the battery and the vehicle electrical system through the high current BJB and battery B+ cable. The PCM monitors this B+ voltage through PCM VPWR circuits. If the charging system voltage drops 1.5 volts or more below the generator voltage desired (GENVDSD), the DTC sets and the charging system MIL illuminates after 30 seconds.

    The PCM monitors the generator output via the generator monitor (GENMON2) circuit. The PCM uses the generator command (GENCOM2) circuit to command the generator to either increase or decrease output. If the GENCOM2 circuit (generator control circuit) or the "A" sense circuit are open or shorted to ground, the PCM will not be able to control the generator output. When the engine speed is greater than 2, 000 rpm, the generator defaults to a steady voltage output of 13.5 volts and the PCM sends a request to the IPC to illuminate the charging system warning indicator. A GENCOM circuit fault can be confirmed by viewing the PCMPID generator command line fault (GENCMD_LF2) (YES status indicator fault).

    DTC Fault Trigger Conditions 

    DTC Description Fault Trigger Condition
    PCM P2D57:00 Generator 'B' Control Circuit Range/Performance: No Sub Type Information The PCM sets this DTC if the secondary generator GENCOM circuit, "B" sense circuit, or B+ circuit is open or shorted to ground.

    Possible Causes 

    • Fuses
    • Secondary Generator
    • Generator
    • PCM
    • Wiring, terminals or connectors

    Visual Inspection and Pre-checks 

  2. J1 PERFORM INSPECTION AND VERIFICATION

    • Perform Inspection and Verification procedure in this article.

    Was an obvious cause for an observed or reported concern found? 

    Yes  CORRECT the cause as necessary.
    No  GO to  J2
  3. J2 RETRIEVE DIAGNOSTIC TROUBLE CODES (DTCS)

    • Using a diagnostic scan tool, perform the PCM self-test.

    Is DTC P065B, P065C, U012D or U042E present? 

    Yes  If P065B and P065C are present, GO to Pinpoint Test B  If P065B is present without P065C, INSTALL a new generator. REFER to: Generator - 3.5L Duratec (202kW/275PS) . If U012D or U042E is present, GO to Pinpoint Test F 
    No  GO to  J3
  4. J3 CHECK THE GENERATOR CONNECTIONS

    • Ignition OFF.

    • Disconnect all of the generator connectors and inspect for:

      • corrosion (install new connector or terminals - clean module pins)
      • damaged or bent pins - install new terminals/pins
      • pushed-out pins - install new pins as necessary

    • Reconnect the generator connectors. Make sure they seat and latch correctly.

    • Measure and record:
      Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead
      GEMPTY000Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      GFD836682Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      GEMPTY000Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY

    • Measure:
      Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead
      C1251A Pin 1
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      Ground

    Is the voltage within 0.5 volt of the recorded battery voltage? 

    Yes  GO to  J4
    No  TIGHTEN or INSTALL a new generator B+ nut as needed. REFER to: Generator - 3.5L Duratec (202kW/275PS)
    (414-02 Generator and Regulator, Removal and Installation). VERIFY high current BJB fuse 11 (250A) is OK. If OK, REPAIR the circuit. If not OK, REFER to the appropriate Wiring Diagrams article to identify the possible causes of the circuit short.
  5. J4 CHECK THE VOLTAGE DROP IN THE GENERATOR B+ CIRCUIT

    • Start the engine.

    • With the engine running at idle, headlamps on and blower on high, measure:
      Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead
      C1251A Pin 1
      GFD836682Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      GEMPTY000Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY

    • Perform a wiggle test of the generator wiring and connections while measuring voltage drop.

    Is the voltage drop less than 0.5 volt? 

    Yes  GO to  J5
    No  INSPECT and REPAIR any corrosion in the generator B+ circuit or positive battery cable connections.
  6. J5 CHECK THE VOLTAGE DROP IN THE VEHICLE GROUNDS

    • With the engine still running at idle, headlamps on and heater blower on high, measure:
      Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead
      GFD840411Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY

      Generator case
      GFD836682Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      GEMPTY000Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY

    Is the voltage drop less than 0.5 volt? 

    Yes  GO to  J6
    No  INSPECT and REPAIR the engine ground, generator ground or the battery ground for corrosion.
  7. J6 MONITOR THE SECONDARY GENERATOR VOLTAGE DESIRED (GENVDSD) PID (PARAMETER IDENTIFICATION) WHILE COMMANDED

    • Using a diagnostic scan tool, view the PCM GENVDSD PID.

    • Using a diagnostic scan tool active command, set the PCMPID GENVDSD to 14 volts.

    • With the engine still running at idle, measure battery and record:
      Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead
      GEMPTY000Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      GFD836682Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      GEMPTY000Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY

    Is the recorded battery voltage within +/-0.5 volt of the PID ' 

    Yes  GO to  J7
    No  GO to  J11
  8. J7 COMPARE THE SUPPLY VOLTAGE (VPWR) PID (PARAMETER IDENTIFICATION) TO BATTERY VOLTAGE

    • With the engine still running at idle, headlamps on and blower on high, measure and record:
      Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead
      GEMPTY000Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      GFD836682Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      GEMPTY000Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY

    • Access the PCM and monitor the VPWR (V) PID.

    Does the PID accurately display battery voltage within +/-0.5 volt of the recorded battery voltage? 

    Yes  GO to  J8
    No  REPAIR high resistance or loose connections in the affected PCM power circuit(s).
  9. J8 CHECK PCM (POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE) VOLTAGE SUPPLY CIRCUITS

    • Ignition OFF.

    • Ignition OFF.

    • Measure and record:

    • Ignition ON.

    • Measure and record:
      Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead
      C1551B Pin 1
      GFD836682Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground
      C1551B Pin 2
      GFD836682Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground
      C1551B Pin 16
      GFD836682Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      Ground

    Are the voltages within 0.5 volt of the recorded battery voltage? 

    Yes  REMOVE the fused jumper wire and INSTALL BJBPCM power relay GO to  J9
    No  REPAIR the affected circuit(s).
  10. J9 CHECK PCM (POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE) GROUND FOR HIGH RESISTANCE

    • NOTE: Measure battery voltage at the battery.

      With the engine still running at idle, turn off all accessory loads, measure and record:

      Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead
      GEMPTY000Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      GFD836682Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      GEMPTY000Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY

    • Access the PCM and monitor the VPWR (V) PIDand record.

    • With the engine still running at idle, turn headlamps ON and blower on HIGH.

    • Measure and record:
      Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead
      GEMPTY000Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      GFD836682Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      GEMPTY000Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY

    • Using a diagnostic scan tool, view PCMPID VPWR and record.

    Does the PID read within +/-0.5 volt of battery voltage with accessory loads on and off? 

    Yes  GO to  J10
    No  REPAIR the affected PCM ground circuit(s).
  11. J10 MONITOR THE SUPPLY VOLTAGE (VPWR) PID (PARAMETER IDENTIFICATION)

    • NOTE: Measure battery voltage at the battery.

      With the engine still running at idle, turn off all accessory loads.

    • Measure and record:
      Positive Lead Measurement / Action Negative Lead
      GEMPTY000Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      GFD836682Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY
      GEMPTY000Courtesy of FORD MOTOR COMPANY

    • Access the PCM and monitor the VPWR (V) PIDand record.

    • Momentarily accelerate the engine to Wide Open Throttle (WOT) and release. Repeat this step 4-5 times while continuing to monitor the PID.

    Does the PID stay within 0.5 volt of the recorded battery voltage when the engine Revolutions Per Minute (RPM) are increased? 

    Yes  The system is operating correctly at this time. The concern may have been caused by a loose or corroded connector. INSPECT and REPAIR any connector or pin issues found. If no connector or pin issues are found, PERFORM the battery drain test. REFER to: Battery Drain Check .
    No  GO to  J11
  12. J11 CHECK GENERATOR CLUTCH OPERATION

    • Ignition OFF.

    Is the generator clutch OK? 

    Yes  INSTALL a new generator. REFER to: Generator - 3.5L Duratec (202kW/275PS) .
    No  INSTALL a new generator clutch. REFER to: Generator - 3.5L Duratec (202kW/275PS) .
  13. J12 CHECK FOR CORRECT PCM (POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE) OPERATION

    • Ignition OFF.

    • Disconnect and inspect all PCM connectors.

    • Repair:

      • corrosion (install new connector or terminals - clean module pins)
      • damaged or bent pins - install new terminals/pins
      • pushed-out pins - install new pins as necessary

    • Reconnect the PCM connectors. Make sure they seat and latch correctly.

    • Operate the system and determine if the concern is still present.

    Is the concern still present? 

    Yes  CHECK OASIS for any applicable Technical Service Bulletins (TSBs). If a TSB exists for this concern, DISCONTINUE this test and FOLLOW the TSB instructions. If no TSB address this concern, REFER to: Engine .
    No  The system is operating correctly at this time. The concern may have been caused by a loose or corroded connector. ADDRESS the root cause of any connector or pin issues.