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Diagnostic Test

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  1. ACTIVE DTC 
    NOTE:

    Maximum engine speed could be reduced while this fault is active, it just depends where the throttle gets stuck.

    1. Ignition on, engine not running.
      NOTE:

      The PCM tests the ETC Motor by opening and closing the Throttle Plate before starting the engine. If during this test the Throttle plate does not return to the closed position this DTC sets.

    2. With a scan tool select View DTCs.
      NOTE:

      Diagnose any TP Sensor or 5-Volt Supply DTCs before continuing.

      Is the DTC Active at this time?

      Yes 

      • Go To  2.

      No 

  2. THROTTLE PLATE STUCK OPEN 
    1. Turn the ignition off.
      NOTE:

      The PCM tests the ETC Motor by opening and closing the Throttle Plate before starting the engine. If during this test the Throttle plate does not return to the closed position this DTC sets.

    2. Remove the Air Cleaner Assembly from the Throttle Body.
    3. Check for any signs of a foreign material causing the Throttle to remain open.
    4. Using a scan tool under System Tests, perform the ETC Throttle Follower Test.
    5. Have an assistant watch the throttle plate to verify it moves during the test.

      Does the Throttle Plate move?

      Yes 

      • Go To  3.

      No 

      • Remove the debris if possible or replace the Throttle Body Assembly if signs of physical damage are present. Disconnect the Battery when replacing the Throttle Body Assembly. After installation is complete, use a scan tool and perform the ETC RELEARN function.
      • Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. Refer to POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST .
  3. TP SENSOR NO. 1 AND TP SENSOR NO. 2 BOTH EQUAL 2.5 VOLTS 
    1. With a scan tool, perform the ETC Throttle Follower test while reading both TP Sensor voltage readings.

      Are both TP Sensor readings stuck at 2.5 volts?

      Yes 

      • Check the TP Sensor Signal circuits for excessive resistance, being shorted to each other, or shorted to the Sensor Return circuit.
      • Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. Refer to POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST .

      No 

      • Go To  4.
  4. (K447) ETC POSITIVE CIRCUIT SHORTED TO VOLTAGE 
    Fig 1: Measuring Voltage On (K447) ETC Positive Circuit AT Appropriate Terminal Of Special Tool #8815
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    1. Turn the ignition off.
    2. Disconnect the Throttle Body harness connector.
    3. Disconnect the C2 PCM harness connector.
      CAUTION:

      Do not probe the PCM harness connectors. Probing the PCM harness connectors will damage the PCM terminals resulting in poor terminal to pin connection. Install the PCM Pinout Box (special tool #8815A, Kit, NGC, 38 Position) to perform the diagnostics.

    4. Ignition on, engine not running.
    5. Measure the voltage on the (K447) ETC Positive circuit at the appropriate terminal of special tool #(special tool #8815A, Kit, NGC, 38 Position).

      Is there any voltage present?

      Yes 

      • Repair the short to voltage on the (K447) ETC Positive circuit.
      • Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. Refer to POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST .

      No 

      • Go To  5.
  5. (K447) ETC POSITIVE CIRCUIT OPEN 
    Fig 2: Measuring Resistance Of (K447) ETC Positive Circuit From Throttle Body Harness Connector To Appropriate Terminal Of Special Tool #8815
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    1. Turn the ignition off.
    2. Measure the resistance of the (K447) ETC Positive circuit from the Throttle Body harness connector to the appropriate terminal of special tool #(special tool #8815A, Kit, NGC, 38 Position).

      Is the resistance below 5.0 ohms?

      Yes 

      • Go To  6.

      No 

  6. (K448) ETC NEGATIVE CIRCUIT OPEN 
    Fig 3: Measuring Resistance Of (K448) ETC Negative Circuit From Throttle Body Harness Connector To Appropriate Terminal Of Special Tool #8815
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    1. Measure the resistance of the (K448) ETC Negative circuit from the Throttle Body harness connector to the appropriate terminal of special tool #(special tool #8815A, Kit, NGC, 38 Position).

      Is the resistance below 5.0 ohms?

      Yes 

      • Go To  7.

      No 

  7. (K447) ETC POSITIVE CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND 
    Fig 4: Measuring Resistance Between Ground And ETC Motor Positive Circuit AT Appropriate Terminals Of Special Tool #8815
    GC0090958Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    1. Measure the resistance between a known good ground and the (K447) ETC Positive circuit at the appropriate terminal of special tool #(special tool #8815A, Kit, NGC, 38 Position).

      Is the resistance below 100 ohms?

      Yes 

      • Repair the short to ground in the (K447) ETC Positive circuit.
      • Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. Refer to POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST .

      No 

      • Go To  8.
  8. (K448) ETC NEGATIVE CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND 
    Fig 5: Measuring Resistance Between Ground And ETC Motor Negative Circuit AT Appropriate Terminals Of Special Tool #8815
    GC0090960Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    1. Measure the resistance between a known good ground and the (K448) ETC Negative circuit at the appropriate terminal of special tool #(special tool #8815A, Kit, NGC, 38 Position).

      Is the resistance below 100 ohms?

      Yes 

      • Repair the short to ground in the (K448) ETC Negative circuit.
      • Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. Refer to POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST .

      No 

      • Go To  9.
  9. POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM) 
    1. Using the wiring diagram/schematic as a guide, inspect the wiring and connectors between the Throttle Body and the Powertrain Control Module (PCM).
    2. Look for any chafed, pierced, pinched, or partially broken wires.
    3. Look for broken, bent, pushed out or corroded terminals. Verify that there is good pin to terminal contact in the Throttle Body and the Powertrain Control Module connectors.
    4. Refer to any Technical Service Bulletins that may apply.

      Were there any problems found?

      Yes 

      No 

      • Replace and program the Powertrain Control Module per Service Information.
      • Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. Refer to POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST .
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