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Diagnostic Test

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  1. ACTIVE DTC 
    NOTE:

    Diagnose any CAN - C Communication DTCs before continuing.

    NOTE:

    If any ECT, AAT, CMP or CKP sensor DTCs have set along with P0128, diagnose them before continuing.

    1. Start the engine.
    2. Allow the engine to reach normal operating temperature.
    3. With the scan tool, select View DTCs.
      NOTE:

      It may be necessary to drive the vehicle to meet the conditions to set this DTC, try to repeat the conditions in which the fault originally set by reviewing the Freeze Frame data.

      Is the DTC Active or Pending at this time?

      Yes 

      • Go To  2.

      No 

  2. LOW COOLANT LEVEL 
    NOTE:

    If an Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) DTC is set along with this code, diagnose the ECT DTC first.

    NOTE:

    Inspect the ECT terminals and related PCM terminals. Make sure the terminals are free from corrosion and damage.

    NOTE:

    The best way to diagnose this DTC is to allow the vehicle to sit overnight outside in order to have a totally cold soaked engine.

    NOTE:

    Extremely cold outside ambient temperatures may have caused this DTC to set.

    WARNING:

    Never open the cooling system when the engine is hot. The system is under pressure. Failure to follow these instructions can result in personal injury including extreme burns, scalding, or fatal injury. Allow the engine to cool before opening the cooling system.

    1. Check the coolant system to make sure that the coolant is in good condition and at the proper level. Refer to DIAGNOSIS AND TESTING .

      Is the coolant level and condition OK?

      Yes 

      • Go To  3.

      No 

  3. THERMOSTAT OPERATION 
    NOTE:

    This test works best if performed on a cold engine (cold soak).

    1. Ignition on, engine not running.
    2. With the scan tool, read the ECT Deg value. If the engine was allowed to sit overnight (cold soak), the temperature value should be a sensible value that is somewhere close to the ambient temperature.
      NOTE:

      If engine coolant temperature is above 82° C (180° F), allow the engine to cool until 65° C (150° F) is reached.

    3. Start the Engine.
    4. During engine warm-up, monitor the ECT Deg value. The temp deg value change should be a smooth transition from start up to normal operating temp 82° C (180° F). Also monitor the actual coolant temperature with a thermometer.
      NOTE:

      As the engine warms up to operating temperature, the actual coolant temperature (thermometer reading) and the scan tool, ECT Temperature value should stay relatively close to each other.

    5. Using the appropriate Service Information, determine the proper opening temperature of the thermostat.

      Did the thermostat open at the proper temperature?

      Yes 

      • Go To  4.

      No 

  4. AMBIENT AIR TEMP SENSOR OPERATION 
    1. Ignition on, engine not running.
    2. With the scan tool, read and record the AAT Sensor Temperature value.
    3. Monitor the actual ambient air temperature near the AAT Sensor with a thermometer.

      Is the AAT Sensor value with -15° C (5° F) of the temperature probe reading?

      Yes 

      • Go To  5.

      No 

      • Go To  7.
  5. ECT SENSOR OPERATION 
    WARNING:

    Make sure the engine cooling system is cool before removing the pressure cap or any hose. The cooling system is pressurized when hot. Failure to follow these instructions can result in possible serious or fatal injury.

    1. With the scan tool, read and record the ECT Sensor Temperature value.
    2. Monitor the actual coolant temperature with a thermometer.

      Is the ECT Sensor value with -15° C (5° F) of the temperature probe reading?

      Yes 

      • Go To  6.

      No 

      • Go To  7.
  6. OTHER POSSIBLE CAUSES 
    1. Inspect the Temperature Sensors for any physical damage.
    2. Inspect the engine coolant. Make sure the coolant is at the proper level. Refer to Specifications .
    3. Make sure the Temperature Sensors are properly installed.
    4. Make sure the CMP and CKP sensors are installed properly. Check the connectors for any signs of damage.
      WARNING:

      When the engine is operating, do not stand in direct line with the fan. Do not put your hands near the pulleys, belts or fan. Do not wear loose clothing. Failure to follow these instructions may result in possible serious or fatal injury.

    5. Perform any Technical Service Bulletins (TSBs) that may apply.
    6. With the engine running at normal operating temperature, monitor the Temperature sensor parameters while wiggling the wire harness. Look for parameter values to change.
    7. Visually inspect the related wire harness. Look for any chafed, pierced, pinched, partially broken wires and broken, bent, pushed out or corroded terminals.
      CAUTION:

      Do not probe the PCM harness connectors. Probing the PCM harness connectors will damage the PCM terminals resulting in poor terminal to pin connection. Install the PCM Pinout Box (special tool #8815A, Kit, NGC, 38 Position) to perform diagnosis.

    8. Inspect and clean all PCM, engine and chassis grounds.

      Were any problems found during the above inspections?

      Yes 

      No 

      • Test Complete, the conditions that set this DTC are not present at this time.
  7. SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO VOLTAGE 
    Fig 1: Measuring Voltage On ECT Sensor Signal Circuit Harness Connector
    GC0090665Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    Fig 2: Measuring Voltage On AAT Signal Circuit In AAT Sensor Harness Connector
    GC0090642Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    NOTE:

    Visually inspect both the component and the PCM connectors. Look for damage, partially broken wires and backed out or corroded terminals

    1. Turn the ignition off.
    2. Disconnect the applicable Temperature Sensor harness connector.
    3. Disconnect the TIPM C4 harness connector and the C2 PCM harness connector.
    4. Ignition on, engine not running.
    5. Measure the voltage on the (K2) ECT Signal circuit and the (G31) AAT Signal circuit at the appropriate Temperature Sensor harness connector.

      Is there any voltage present?

      Yes 

      No 

      • Go To  8.
  8. TEMPERATURE SENSOR 
    Fig 3: Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor Harness Connector
    GC0090664Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    Fig 4: Ambient Air Temperature Sensor Harness Connector
    GC0090641Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    1. Turn the ignition off.
    2. Connect the C2 PCM harness connector.
    3. Connect the C4 TIPM harness connector.
    4. Ignition on, engine not running.
    5. With the scan tool, read the Temperature Sensor voltage.
    6. Connect a jumper wire across the ECT and AAT Sensor harness connectors.

      Does the voltage start at 5.0 Volts when the jumper wire is not installed and drop below 1.0 Volt when the jumper wire is installed?

      Yes 

      No 

      • Go To  9.
        NOTE:

        Disconnect the jumper wire before continuing.

  9. SIGNAL CIRCUIT OPEN 
    Fig 5: Checking ECT Signal Circuit For An Open Or Excessive Resistance
    GC0090668Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    Fig 6: Checking AAT Signal Circuit For An Open Or Excessive Resistance
    GC0148766Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    1. Turn the ignition off.
      CAUTION:

      Do not probe the PCM harness connectors. Probing the PCM harness connectors will damage the PCM terminals resulting in poor terminal to pin connection. Install the PCM Pinout Box (special tool #8815A, Kit, NGC, 38 Position) to perform diagnosis.

    2. Measure the resistance of the (K2) ECT Sensor Signal circuit from the ECT Sensor harness connector to the appropriate terminal of the PCM Pinout Box (special tool #8815A, Kit, NGC, 38 Position).
    3. Measure the resistance of the (G31) AAT Sensor Signal circuit from the AAT Sensor harness connector to the TIPM C4 harness connector.

      Is the resistance below 5.0 Ohms?

      Yes 

      • Go To  10.

      No 

  10. SENSOR GROUND CIRCUIT OPEN 
    Fig 7: Checking ECT Sensor Ground Circuit For An Open
    GC0090669Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    Fig 8: Checking AAT Sensor Ground Circuit For An Open
    GC0148767Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    1. Measure the resistance of the (K900) Sensor ground circuit from the appropriate Temperature Sensor harness connector to the appropriate terminal of the PCM Pinout Box (special tool #8815A, Kit, NGC, 38 Position).
    2. Measure the resistance of the (G931) Sensor ground circuit from the AAT Sensor harness connector to the TIPM C4 harness connector.

      Is the resistance below 5.0 Ohms?

      Yes 

      • Go To  11.

      No 

  11. SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND 
    Fig 9: Measuring Resistance Between Ground And ECT Sensor Signal Circuit In Sensor Harness Connector
    GC0090666Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    Fig 10: Measuring Resistance Between Ground And AAT Sensor Signal Circuit In AAT Sensor Harness Connector
    GC0090643Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    1. Measure the resistance between ground and the Sensor Signal circuit in the Temperature Sensor harness connector.

      Is the resistance below 100 Ohms?

      Yes 

      No 

      • Go To  12.
  12. SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO THE (K900) SENSOR GROUND CIRCUIT OR THE (G931) SENSOR GROUND CIRCUIT 
    Fig 11: Measuring Resistance Between Sensor Return Circuit And Sensor Signal Circuit In AAT Sensor Harness Connector
    GC0090644Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    Fig 12: Measuring Resistance Between ECT Sensor Signal Circuit And Ground Circuit In Sensor Harness Connector
    GC0090667Courtesy of CHRYSLER LLC
    1. Measure the resistance between the Signal circuit and the (K900) Sensor ground circuit in the (K2) ECT Sensor harness connector.
    2. Measure the resistance between the Signal circuit and the (G931) Sensor ground circuit in the (G31) AAT Sensor harness connector.

      Is the resistance below 100 Ohms?

      Yes 

      • Repair the short between the Sensor ground circuit and the Sensor Signal circuit.
      • Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. Refer to POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST .

      No 

      • Go To  13.
  13. POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM) 
    1. Using the wiring diagram/schematic as a guide, inspect the wiring and connectors between the Temperature Sensors and the Powertrain Control Module (PCM).
    2. Look for any chafed, pierced, pinched or partially broken wires.
    3. Look for broken, bent, pushed out or corroded terminals. Verify that there is good pin to terminal contact in the Sensor and Control Module connectors.
    4. Perform any Technical Service Bulletins that may apply.

      Were there any problems found?

      Yes 

      No